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Contrary to the object of many professing bible believers, the bible message is not for everyone in this age.

Accordingly, it is wrong to look down on anyone who doesn’t believe in God or the bible. It is error to convince non-believers through scare tactics like the misunderstood “end of the world” event.  It is a mistake to try to give an ultimatum to one who is moments from death for him to believe lest he ends up in hell.  All who do any of these and the like have much to learn.

The bible message is only for those whom God calls in this age. And God is not working on everyone yet. All will be called to understand but the majority simply doesn’t belong in this age. 

At this time, the bible message is only for those whose ears God enabled to hear and who should hear.

Matthew 11:15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

When Jesus speaks, he teaches his disciples but not his non-disciples

The mysteries of the kingdom of God are not to be revealed yet to majority of people.  Jesus spoke in parables to non-disciples, who sought to see and hear him, for them to hear but not really understand.

Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 

The Christian then should highly value the favor granted him of being enabled to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God that escaped even “many prophets and righteous men who desired to know but did not.

Matthew 13:16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

Of those who hear the gospel preached, God is not bothered that 3/4 don’t positively respond

The parable of the sower illustrates this:

Matthew 13:3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: “Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. 6 But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. 8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 

The Parable of the Sower Explained

Matthew 13:18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

It does not bother God that only 1/4 of the categories of people who hear the kingdom of God preached positively respond to the teaching. God had set another time for the rest as God is not willing that any should perish.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Jesus knows if a person who approaches him is not God drawn 

A rich young Jew approached Jesus over confident of his being a keeper of the law of Moses.  Jesus talked him out accordingly by addressing the man’s weakness.

Matthew 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

It should be noticed that Jesus did not exert any other effort to convince the rich man and “sell” to him “eternal life” like what many professing Christians are doing.  Jesus knew the young man’s time was not yet and anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus should be able to tell the difference and do likewise.

Unless Jesus grants a man understanding, that man could not appreciate the invaluableness of the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 13:44 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

Jesus did not stop the uncalled who chose to leave the group of disciples

Even if they try, the uncalled in this age will be unable to grasp Jesus’ teachings and even get offended with the same. Then they leave the group and no one should stop them as Jesus, who knew them, didn’t when they left his group in his time.

John 6:60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?” 61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 

To test their resolve, Jesus even asked the called out ones whether they also wanted to go away. But the chosen knew and didn’t go away.

John 6:67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

It is not the non-believer’s fault if his eyes are veiled from “seeing” the gospel

Those whose schedules to undergo the continuation of their creation process are yet in the future are disabled to see the gospel. They die in the meantime in this age to be wakened up when their time comes. Not being yet in the continuation of creation process, they are categorized as “perishing”.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing…

It is God’s prerogative when to call a person to proceed with his creation. Hence, it is error for believers to force a non-believer to see and understand but couldn’t what the believer could see and understand.

It is God’s prerogative to call a person to proceed with his creation and remove from him the veil

Saul was not only a non-believer of Christ’s Way. He was the persecutor of it.

Acts 9:1 Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

When God called Saul and made him see, literally also, something like scales fell from his eyes.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized. 

No other account like Saul’s, later named Paul, case is recorded in the bible. What matters is that it is Jesus who opens minds to understand the scriptures.

Luke 24:45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

There is no reason at all for a supposed to be believer to look down on those whom God had reserved his prerogative to understand the gospel later.

The 12 disciples were sent to preach with instruction not to insist when rejected 

Mark 6:7 And He called the twelve to Himself, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits. 8 He commanded them to take nothing for the journey except a staff—no bag, no bread, no copper in their money belts— 9 but to wear sandals, and not to put on two tunics. 10 Also He said to them, “In whatever place you enter a house, stay there till you depart from that place. 11 And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” 

Without the Holy Spirit in a person he does not receive the things of the Spirit of God which to him are foolishness

1 Corinthians 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It has not yet happened when God puts his laws in the hearts and write the same in the minds of the Israelites.

Hebrews 10:15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before, 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

It is yet in the future that God will pour out his “Spirit on all flesh”.

Joel 2:28 “And it shall come to pass afterward 
      That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; 

This thread is addressed to professing bible believers and not to anyone else

Heed Jesus Christ. Unless a person is called by God, he will not hear Jesus’ voice which can be heard only by the sheep in his fold.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

If it is true that there is a contest between God and Satan on trying to win souls to their respective sides, there is a no contest. Satan is winning hands down.  And God would have been sleeping on the job in the case of the ancient peoples who have never heard of God, the bible or the gospel.

It is wrong to convert others and force them to believe and threaten them of hell if they refuse.  Converting a person is God’s job, not that of any person to convert another.  

The gospel is not for everyone at this time.

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Doming: I don’t want to contradict you Mr almeda. Infact I will crossed my finger that your interpretation are correct…I would like to see everyone in our resting place when that time occure.

I just want you to evaluate these scriptures, Coz these scriptures says some are destined to hell.

Matt. 3:12; Luke 3:17 – John the Baptist said the Lord will burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. This unquenchable fire is the state of eternal separation from God, which the Church has called “hell” for 2,000 years. Some Protestant communities no longer acknowledge the reality of hell.

Matt. 25:41 – Jesus says, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” 

Matt. 25:46 – Jesus says, “they will go away into eternal punishment” which is in reference to this eternal fire. 

Mark 9:47-48 – Jesus refers to hell as where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. It lasts forever. 

2 Thess. 1:6-9 – the angels will come with flaming fire and the disobedient will suffer punishment of eternal destruction. It is important to note that “destruction” does not mean “annihilation,” as some Protestant denominations teach. It means eternal exclusion from the presence of God. 

Jude 6-7 – the rebelling angels, and Sodom and Gomorrah, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. 

Rev. 14:11 – the worshipers of the beast suffer and the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever. 

Rev. 20:10 – they’re tormented in the lake of fire and brimstone day and night forever and ever. 

Isaiah 33:14 – “Who of us can dwell in the everlasting fire?” This is a reference to hell which is forever. 

Isaiah 66:24 – their worm shall not die and their fire shall not be quenched. We cannot fathom the pain of this eternal separation from God. 

Jer. 15:14 – in my anger a fire is kindled which shall burn forever. Hell is the proper compliment to the eternal bliss of heaven. 

Judith 16:17 – in the day of judgment the Lord will take vengeance on the wicked and they shall weep in pain forever. Hell is a place that sinners have prepared for themselves by rejecting God, who desires all people to be saved in His Son Jesus Christ. God sends no one to hell. 

EMA:  Doming wrote:

I don’t want to contradict you Mr almeda. Infact I will crossed my finger that your interpretation are correct…

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I welcome any contradiction Mr. Doming so that we can discuss and read from the bible the resolution of the seeming contradiction.

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Doming wrote:

would like to see everyone in our resting place when that time occure.

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The man who enters the kingdom of God rests from this world’s labors being a limited physical and mortal being. When he has been changed to spirit incorruptible and immortal, his activity in the universe could hardly be described as rest. 

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Doming wrote:

just want you to evaluate these scriptures, Coz these scriptures says some are destined to hell.

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Let’s try to understand these scriptures. Persons are destined to be confronted with the choice. It is the person’s exercise of freewill which lands him in hell. The 2 choices are: 1) to submit to God, and 2) not to submit to God.

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Doming wrote:

Matt. 3:12; Luke 3:17 – John the Baptist said the Lord will burn the chaff with unquenchable fire.

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Matthew 3:12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Luke 3:17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

For how long will a chaff burn? In just a matter of seconds, the chaff becomes ash, blown away and disappears. The same fate the wicked will meet. He disappears. The oft quoted bible verse clearly states this truth now being twisted.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

While the saved “should not perish”, what does John 3:16 say to one who will be burned? “Perish”.

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Doming wrote:

This unquenchable fire is the state of eternal separation from God, which the Church has called “hell” for 2,000 years. Some Protestant communities no longer acknowledge the reality of hell.

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The “eternal separation from God” doctrine says that the person so separated is still alive. But the bible says the person will perish. I choose to believe the bible.

If so, let these “Protestant communities” exercise their freedom to believe what they want to believe.

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Doming wrote:

Matt. 25:41 – Jesus says, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

Matt. 25:46 – Jesus says, “they will go away into eternal punishment” which is in reference to this eternal fire.

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“Eternal fire” describes the fire that is not extinguished as long as there is still combustible material to burn. In the Old Testament, one such burning is described. The fire had long extinguished.

The “eternal punishment” Matt 25:46 describes simply means just that. The punishment is irreversible.

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Doming wrote:

Mark 9:47-48 – Jesus refers to hell as where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. It lasts forever.

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Let’s see Isaiah from where the worm and fire phrase is quoted.

Isaiah 66:24 “And they shall go forth and look 
Upon the corpses of the men 
Who have transgressed against Me. 
For their worm does not die, 
And their fire is not quenched. 
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” 

The worm is eating the corpses. When there are still corpses, the worm will not die, becomes a fly and breeds more maggots. The corpses which the fire touches will burn. When the corpses get all burned up including the worm still in the corpses, the worm dies and the fire goes out.

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Doming wrote:

2 Thess. 1:6-9 – the angels will come with flaming fire and the disobedient will suffer punishment of eternal destruction. It is important to note that “destruction” does not mean “annihilation,” as some Protestant denominations teach. It means eternal exclusion from the presence of God.

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When a group’s teaching clash with the bible’s, I stick with the latter. Destruction is destruction.

2 Thess. 1:6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

The destruction is irreversible. 

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Doming wrote:

Jude 6-7 – the rebelling angels, and Sodom and Gomorrah, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. 

Rev. 14:11 – the worshipers of the beast suffer and the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever. 

Rev. 20:10 – they’re tormented in the lake of fire and brimstone day and night forever and ever. 

Isaiah 33:14 – “Who of us can dwell in the everlasting fire?” This is a reference to hell which is forever.

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Is the “eternal fire” still burning in Sodom and Gomorrah at this time? It got extinguished when there was no more combustible material to burn.

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Doming wrote:

Isaiah 66:24 – their worm shall not die and their fire shall not be quenched. We cannot fathom the pain of this eternal separation from God.

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Explained above. How can the dead feel the pain?

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Doming wrote:

Jer. 15:14 – in my anger a fire is kindled which shall burn forever. Hell is the proper compliment to the eternal bliss of heaven.

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As pointed out in John 3:16, the opposite of eternal life is to perish. 

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Doming wrote:

Judith 16:17 – in the day of judgment the Lord will take vengeance on the wicked and they shall weep in pain forever. Hell is a place that sinners have prepared for themselves by rejecting God, who desires all people to be saved in His Son Jesus Christ. God sends no one to hell. 

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I don’t read the book of Judith.

Doming: I cannot prove it personally but the words of GOD (Bible) has his proven record, that heaven and Hell exist.
I’ve used the word ” IF ” Coz nobody can prove that a man is going to heaven but the bible talks about a man is going to heaven if he obey the commandments. Not physically but Spiritually.

EMA:  Instead of “the bible talks about a man is going to heaven”, the bible and Jesus himself said that no “one has ascended to heaven”.

John 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

The dead are now in their graves. When Jesus returns, the saved will be changed to spirit and reign with Christ on earth for 1,000 years. 

Revelation 5:10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.”

Revelation 20:4…And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

After 1,000 years, all those who have died will be revived and taught and be changed to spirit except the wicked who will be slain. Then all will go to the new earth, not heaven.

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 

Instead of man going to heaven, it is even God who joins man to dwell with him in the new earth.

Doming:  I’m not going to argue who ascended to heaven….I’m sure somebody did but that besides the point..What we discussing about is the bible talking about someone is going to heaven or hell. We are not talking about past tense….the topic is about future tense, That GOD infact talks about heaven and Hell in his words in the bible.

Doming: Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:

The bible message is only for those whom God calls in this age. And God is not working on everyone yet. All will be called to understand but the majority simply doesn’t belong in this age. 

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Are you saying that GOD will allow everyone to his kingdom….just like my qoute before. It would be nice for everyone to enter the kingdom Of GOD.

Not Everyone Will Enter the Kingdom of GOD. 
The Lord Jesus once said, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” (Mt 7:21-23). The Lord Jesus will surely come one day. At that time, there will be many who are left outside the gates of Heaven, weeping and gnashing their teeth. Jesus clearly tells us what type of person will enter His kingdom. We must each decide how we will follow His teachings-like a child or like a Pharisee.
Sorry… Mr Almeda these would contradict you. But my basis is also the word of GOD.

EMA:  Doming wrote:

Are you saying that GOD will allow everyone to his kingdom….just like my qoute before. It would be nice for everyone to enter the kingdom Of GOD.

Not Everyone Will Enter the Kingdom of GOD. 
The Lord Jesus once said, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” (Mt 7:21-23). The Lord Jesus will surely come one day. At that time, there will be many who are left outside the gates of Heaven, weeping and gnashing their teeth. Jesus clearly tells us what type of person will enter His kingdom. We must each decide how we will follow His teachings-like a child or like a Pharisee.

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Those who will not let God reign over them will not enter the KOG. They will be slain, not allowed to go on living.

Luke 19:27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

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Doming wrote:

Sorry… Mr Almeda these would contradict you. But my basis is also the word of GOD.

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Really? Can you post the bible verse in which you based your statement “there will be many who are left outside the gates of Heaven, weeping and gnashing their teeth”. 

Obviously, you need to give more thought when and where the “weeping and gnashing teeth” will happen. 

Doming: I dont have to gave it a thought I’m a liberal freelance catholic…What it says in the bible is what it is…there is no literal meaning to it….unless the message is parable…then, we need to be literal.

EMA:  Well, that’s your prerogative Mr. Doming. 

Doming: ajaw pataka diha Mr. almeda.

And there is hell…the weeping and gnashing teeth….

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42).

EMA:  If people can still weep and gnash their teeth after being thrown “into a furnace of fire”, then your fire is a joke.

The question is not whether there is hell, gehenna in Greek. And this fire burns any combustible material thrown into it. The question is when and where the weeping and gnashing of teeth occurs. And the condemned weep and gnash their teeth before they are thrown into the hellfire and not while they are already in the midst of it.

Kinsa kahay nagpatakataka nato Mr. Doming.

Doming: jaga jaga diha doy…

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:11-12).

weeping and gnashing of teeth….in hell it means facial expression.  taka ka lang diha da!

EMA:  Isn’t there fire in hell that’s why it is a lake of fire?

Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

How would you, Mr. Doming, reconcile your fiery hell with “outer darkness”?

Ikaw ag jaga jaga-on ug pataka taka bay. 

Doming: Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:

Let’s try to understand these scriptures. Persons are destined to be confronted with the choice. It is the person’s exercise of freewill which lands him in hell. The 2 choices are: 1) to submit to God, and 2) not to submit to God.

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I underlined the last sentence, then, you conclude that not everyone is to see the kingdom of GOD. In that case that everyone should know the gospel now and to the next generation. Once your light is out you’ve hit the point of no return unless you are a believer.

EMA: Yes, not everyone will enter the KOG. Yes, everyone should and would be taught about the gospel. Some in this age, the others during the 1,000-year reign of Jesus and the saints on this earth, and the rest of mankind, during the Great White Throne Judgment period, again on this earth.

Those who will not undergo the continuation of their creation process in this age need not worry. And I don’t think they would anyway. Their time is yet in the future.

Doming: It’s not an easy gate Manoy epie…Jesus tells those who wish to be His true disciples that they must “enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it”.

EMA: I thought you were contradicting my posts. Are you sure with your post Mr. Doming? 

You are actually supporting the point I’m driving at.

Luke 13:23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Jesus is referring to this age when only a “few who” are saved”. The many will be later.

Doming: Jesus is referring to this age when only a “few who” are saved”. The many will be later.

Specifically to this sentence “The many will be later”.

EMA:  In response to your post, I posted the bible verse, Luke 13:23, since you did not place it in your post.

Luke 13:23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Note the last part, “many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able”.

This is considering only those “many” who “will seek”. The vast majority of people who lived and died earlier – the tribes people, cannibals, those who live in places too far from civilization, etc. – comprise the bulk of the many who will not be made to undergo the salvation and creation processes in this age. These dead will no longer be able to hear the gospel. They will, when all of them are revived after the 1,000-year reign of Jesus and the saints (bible defined saints) on this earth.

Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God…13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. 

These people of all generations uncalled in this age will be taught and hear, many for the first time, “the things of God”.

Revelation 20:12…and books were opened.

Doming: When is the next age? Are you referring to the coming of Prince of Peace. Is that the Next age that you talk about?

EMA: Yes. In this our age, Satan is “the god”.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Satan is the unseen ruler of the kingdoms of this world now. Unlike when he came as flesh, Christ will be “Prince of Peace” and he will take over rulership of the kingdoms from Satan. 

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

This age the bible refers to as the “Day of the LORD”, will last for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Doming:  That many that you have spoken about, their chances are forgiveness. And there will be no forgiving in Hell and not necessary in heaven. Where it will be?? 

EMA:  Doming wrote:

That many that you have spoken about, their chances are forgiveness.

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The requirement for forgiveness is repentance. And repentance is not attained by one’s effort. A person cannot repent on his own. Like forgiveness, it has to be granted by God.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life.”

The many who won’t be able to undergo the processes of salvation and creation in this age will have their chance to it during the great white throne judgment period. “Judgment” in bible language is not only the promulgation of the verdict. It also refers to a period of overcoming trials. The members of the Church or “house of God” are now undergoing this process of “judgment”.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God;

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Doming wrote:

And there will be no forgiving in Hell and not necessary in heaven. Where it will be?? 

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Right now, forgiveness is granted in heaven because the forgiving power is in heaven. 

In the “judgment” process of which Holy Spirit indwelt persons are on trial, God sits as the Judge. Satan is the accuser or prosecutor of Christians and he brings accusations against them before “God day and night”.

Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

Jesus Christ acts as the Christian’s lawyer or advocate. When the Christian sins, and he does sin, and confesses his guilt to be meted the appropriate penalty, Christ will plead to God for forgiveness. 

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

And God forgives. And the Christian goes on with his life of trials until he dies or Christ returns whichever comes first.

When Jesus sits as King of kings on this earth during his 1,000-year reign and during the great white throne judgment period, forgiveness will be dispensed here on earth.

The person who chooses to defy God’s rule chooses to be God’s enemy and he will be cast into the hellfire to be slain. 

Luke 19:27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

The casting into the lake of fire is the point of no return. There is no more forgiveness for the soul who shall have been reduced to dust and later on, forgotten forever “And they shall be as though they have never been”.

Obadiah 1:16 For as you drank on My holy mountain, So shall all the nations drink continually; Yes, they shall drink, and swallow, And they shall be as though they had never been.

Doming: Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:

Luke 13:23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

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And this is the reason Why?? we need to know the gospel and hear GOD teaching. so, we wouldn’t be in that many, not be able to enter the KOG.

EMA:  It is not by man’s will that he can apply to be excluded from the many. It is God’s will when to draw a man to Jesus Christ in this age. Unless God draws him, he can’t go to Christ.

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

But the uncalled in this age need not worry. They will have their time in the age next to the age that follows this age.

genetophile: Bro Epi, liwanagan mo nga kami about “purgatory”. Gawa ka bagong thread. Thanks!

EMA:  There’s no purgatory in the bible bro. I don’t believe in it so I can’t make a thread of it. 

genetophile: Kaya nga bro. Liwanagan mo kami about the false teaching of “purgatory”. Hehe.

EMA:  I think the question of whether or not there is a purgatory is covered by the subject on the mortality of the soul. I’ll oblige with a thread. 

genetophile: Ka Epi, by this thread, you mean that everyone will be saved after several “times”? Tama ba pagkakaintindi ko?

EMA:  No, not “saved after several times”. Each man has only one chance on salvation. If he undergoes it and chooses not to be subject to God, that’s his and only chance. 

There are 3 periods during which the salvation and the continuation of the creation processes are in operation:

1. in this age – the drawn out ones to Jesus Christ;
2. the age to follow which is the 1,000 years of Christ’s reign – those who survive the great tribulation and the battle which ensues immediately after Christ’s return and their descendants who will live and procreate during the 1,000 years of Christ’s reign; and
3. great white throne judgment period – those who have since died in this age who will be revived physically at that time.

Not everyone will be saved and be gifted with eternal life. Man has freewill and some men exercise their freedom not to have God reign over them. These men will be slain.

Luke 19:27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

genetophile: Salamat sa paliwanag bro Epi.

EMA:  You’re welcome bro gene.

YAKMAN: Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:

Contrary to the object of many professing bible believers, the bible message is not for everyone in this age. 

Accordingly, it is wrong to look down on anyone who doesn’t believe in God or the bible. It is error to convince non-believers through scare tactics like the misunderstood “end of the world” event. It is a mistake to try to give an ultimatum to one who is moments from death for him to believe lest he ends up in hell. All who do any of these and the like have much to learn.

The bible message is only for those whom God calls in this age. And God is not working on everyone yet. All will be called to understand but the majority simply doesn’t belong in this age. 

At this time, the bible message is only for those whose ears God enabled to hear and who should hear. 

Matthew 11:15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

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This is the only time given to men to accept the gospel, Sir Epi. Those who will not accept the gospel in his lifetime will perish. There is no second chance after death. 

2 Corinthins 4
3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

How can we escape the wrath of God if we ignore the salvation being offered to us through the gospel? No second chance will be given if we ignore the gospel of salvation. There is escape for those ignored the gospel.

Hebrews 2
1We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

EMA:  The “we” in “How can we escape” and in “We must pay” etc. refers to those who have been given the Holy Spirit in this age only. 

If your understanding be right, then God would be unfair since God did not heal yet the spiritual blindness and deafness of the many now.

Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’

Their healing is in the age next to the age that follows our age.

YAKMAN: I did not see the portion that says there is healing in the next age from the verses you posted above, Sir Epi. You’re reading again what is not there.

EMA: I’m flattered by your use of my line “reading what is not there” sir Yakman.  

But my statement “Their healing is in the age next to the age that follows our age” is based on what is there, there in the bible. The last part of Matthew 13:15 gives the hint of a future, not present, healing.

Matthew 13:15…Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’

The passage is saying that God is keeping the many from repentance at this time when their schedule is not yet due. Otherwise, if they repent, God says he will be obligated to do his part which is to “heal them”.

The many’s future healing, which is after Christ’s return, is when God “puts his laws in their minds” and “pour out” his “spirit on all flesh”.

The passage in Hebrews 8:12 applies to the whole house of Israel, not merely the Jewish nation in the Middle East now which is just but a part of the 12-tribe nation. Notice the phrase “after those days”.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Right now, the modern descendants of Israel don’t even know who they are, much more, the God of their fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

And the pouring of God’s spirit on all flesh has not happened yet. It is still in the future – “afterward”. The age that follows ours.

Joel 2:28 “ And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;

No, the above passages contradict your statement “This is the only time given to men to accept the gospel”.

aljas:  Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:

Contrary to the object of many professing bible believers, the bible message is not for everyone in this age. 

Accordingly, it is wrong to look down on anyone who doesn’t believe in God or the bible. It is error to convince non-believers through scare tactics like the misunderstood “end of the world” event. It is a mistake to try to give an ultimatum to one who is moments from death for him to believe lest he ends up in hell. All who do any of these and the like have much to learn.

The bible message is only for those whom God calls in this age. And God is not working on every one yet. All will be called to understand but the majority simply doesn’t belong in this age. 

At this time, the bible message is only for those whose ears God enabled to hear and who should hear. 

Matthew 11:15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

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that’s how pharmaceuticals sell their drugs.they too learn from the bible. they will say it’s not for everyone but they always have something else for everyone. that’s probably how different religion sprouted out like weeds and yet they all sell the same product. something “invisible” 

EMA:  Actually, I’m waiting for a professing bible believer who views otherwise. Then, it would be a fruitful discussion.

Sargo:  Bro Epi, what are YOU really trying to tell us? In YOUR own words. Layman’s terms so we can understand.

aljas:  I’m the layman Sargs. what it means “believe it then it’s for you. you don’t believe it, it’s not for you.” religion rep are accused of forcing their beliefs to someone else. Epi’s stand kind of neutralize that notion, which is good. people should be allowed to make up their mind on what to believe and not threatened by some kind of eternal damnation .

EMA:  aljas has some idea but is still way off.  

Bro Sargo, what I’m trying to tell the bible believers is that, while every man will eventually hear and understand the gospel, not everyone will understand it in this age. There is still another age to follow where those who are not given the capacity to understand now, will be enabled to understand the gospel at that time.

Accordingly, these professing bible believers should not try to “sell”, as aljas rightly observes, the gospel to those whose schedule is just not in this age.

Doming:  Never Mind aljas…he is blinded by the god of this world.
What I want to know is a verse that you can show me in the bible that says the gospel is not for everyone.
And if you can, I will retire my case. And lets move on to another topic. Noy epie.

EMA:  Let’s be clear Mr. Doming. It’s not “the gospel is not for everyone”. It’s the thread title, “The gospel is not for everyone at this time”. 

And one verse is already quoted in the first page which I’ll quote again. It is expressed in another way but says the same thing.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing…

I don’t really care if I can make you see it. It’s not my job anyway.  

Doming:  The verses that you given in the first page was not good enough to clear distinctly perceptible to the ear. by context, It doesnt mean what you meant on your thread. It can be Interpreted in other ways.

EMA:  Well, I’ve done my part.     

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