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There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body
1 Corinthians 15:44 …There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
A being is either natural or spiritual. One cannot be both. Man is a natural being, of the earth, made of dust. Jesus Christ, before he became flesh (John 1:14), was from heaven and a spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
The natural body is subject to corruption or decomposition. When Jesus was raised from the dead, he became again a spirit, incorruptible. The resurrected Jesus was without flesh and blood which are parts of a natural body.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
The glorified body is synonymous to spiritual body
There is a misconception by some that a “glorified” body is the resurrected body which has flesh and bones.
Before Jesus became flesh for the purpose of death, he was glorious. When he was flesh and blood on earth, it was part of his prayer to His Father to restore him to the glory he had before he came to earth as a natural man.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
When God raised the flesh Jesus from the dead, Jesus became a spirit.
Acts 13:30 But God raised Him from the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:45 …The last Adam (Jesus Christ) became a life-giving spirit.
The glorified Jesus was spirit without flesh and blood and bones.
A spirit being can manifest as a natural man
Spirits are invisible to man’s natural eyes. Unless the spirit being manifests in the flesh, the spirit is beyond the reach of man’s eyes.
Before Jesus became flesh and blood for the purpose of death, he manifested in the flesh to be seen by men.
Jesus appeared as a man to Abraham.
Genesis 18:1 Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground…
Jesus appeared to Joshua as “Commander of the army of the LORD”.
Joshua 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”
14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”
15 Then the Commander of the LORD’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.
The “Commander of the army of the LORD” was not an angel who is man’s fellow servant and does not allow man to worship him. When John, in a vision, fell before an angel to worship him John was restrained to not do it. Only God is to be worshiped.
Revelation 22:6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holyprophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.
7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
Jesus’ disciples were afraid of ghosts
Though already mortal, Jesus had the power over nature and he could walk on water. He did so one time and his fearful disciples did not recognize him believing he was a ghost. Jesus had to assure them who he was.
Matthew 14:22 Immediately Jesus made His disciples get into the boat and go before Him to the other side, while He sent the multitudes away. 23 And when He had sent the multitudes away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray. Now when evening came, He was alone there. 24 But the boat was now in the middle of the sea, tossed by the waves, for the wind was contrary.
25 Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, walking on the sea. 26 And when the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out for fear.
27 But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Be of good cheer! It is I; do not be afraid.”
When Jesus was raised from the dead the disciples doubted that he did and he had to manifest in the flesh to convince them
When Jesus was resurrected from the dead, the disciples were not convinced he was. They did not yet know the scripture which says that he would.
John 20:8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead.
Since a spirit is invisible, the resurrected Jesus had to show himself to the disciples as they last saw him. They were still fearful of spirits.
Luke 24:36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
Jesus had to assure them, again, that it was he they were beholding. He had to manifest as flesh and bones.
Luke 24:38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
Thomas was harder to convince. Jesus had to show where his wounds were.
John 20:24 Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord.”
So he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
If Jesus did not manifest as a natural being with flesh and bones and showing he was their same Teacher crucified days ago, the disciples would not have been convinced that Jesus rose from the dead. They would not have continued with the way and not preached the gospel of the kingdom of God.
The glorified body glows and shines as the stars of heaven
At Christ’s return, those saved and who overcome shall be changed to spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
As the term “glorified” connotes, the changed to spirit man will glow. “The wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament”, “like the stars forever and ever”.
Daniel 12:1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
Physical man’s potential is to become a spirit, a glorified body
1 Corinthians 15:48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
The natural flesh and blood man needs to be changed in order to inherit the kingdom of heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
The saved person has to put on the image of God. By the power of the Holy Spirit in him, he overcomes tests never losing site of the hope that God will change his natural body and make it “like his glorified body”.
Philippians 3:21 (GOD’S WORD translation) Through his power to bring everything under his authority, he will change our humble bodies and make them like his glorified body.
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eysha: thread title seems familiar
EMA: If you take notice of the first post, this thread was triggered by your comment.
eysha: yeh…and quoted…lolx
EMA: eysha wrote:
if David and the rest who have been favored by God still awaits for their glorified body, how about those dead people who refused to accept Jesus and have not gained the promise of salvation..do they too wait?…
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Yes. It is not only “those dead people who refused to accept Jesus” who will wait. Those who have not even heard of Jesus Christ likewise wait.
David, and those who have received the Holy Spirit of God and overcame till their death and those who will still be overcoming at Christ’s return will have their natural bodies changed to spirit. To glorified bodies.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
This assurance of change to spirit has been sealed by Christ’s resurrection from the dead. Had Christ not been raised from the dead, he would himself have perished and those who have since died likewise would have perished.
1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
But what awaits those who have since died without receiving the Holy Spirit is not yet a change from their natural bodies to spirit but a physical resurrection and the granting of salvation and a period of overcoming to test their resolve by “works”. If they persevere and overcome, they too would be changed to beings who have glorified bodies.
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eysha wrote:
Has a “glorified body” flesh and bones?
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The phrase “glorified body” appears only in the GOD’S WORD translation of the bible and only once.
Philippians 3:21Through his power to bring everything under his authority, he will change our humble bodies and make them like his glorified body.
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eysha wrote:
The resurrected Jesus told his disciples he had flesh and bones.
Luke 23:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
When Jesus made this statement, was he still physical having flesh and bones? Or was he a spirit?
YAKMAN: The Lord said a spirit does not have flesh and bones which has. He therefore, was not a spirit.
EMA: Why do you think Jesus said that?
YAKMAN: Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Physical man’s potential is to become a spirit, to have a “glorified body”
1 Corinthians 15:48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
The natural flesh and blood man needs to be changed in order to inherit the kingdom of heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
The saved person has to put on the image of God. By the power of the Holy Spirit in him, he overcomes tests never losing site of the hope that God will change his natural body and make it “like his glorified body”.
Philippians 3:21 (GOD’S WORD translation) Through his power to bring everything under his authority, he will change our humble bodies and make them like his glorified body.
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I think having a spiritual body is different from a spiritual being. We will have a spiritual body but we will not become spirits like the angels. Unlike the angels which are pure spirit beings, humans are composed of body, soul and spirit.
Hebrews 4
12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;
EMA: YAKMAN wrote:
I think having a spiritual body is different from a spiritual being.
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Spiritual body is a description of what body the spiritual being has. One doesn’t differentiate these two. When differentiation is called for, it is spiritual body to a natural body and spirit being to natural or physical being.
Just like the change from natural to spiritual which happens in a resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
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YAKMAN wrote:
We will have a spiritual body but we will not become spirits like the angels.
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The bible says otherwise. Not only we become spirits, we become like God.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
When man reaches this point, God’s intention to create man in his likeness shall have been attained.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…
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YAKMAN wrote:
Unlike the angels which are pure spirit beings, humans are composed of body, soul and spirit.
Hebrews 4
12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;
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Humans are now flesh and blood. Of the dust. Once man acquires God’s image by being transformed in character to that of God’s which is love, he will be an overcomer. The overcomer then will be changed to spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed…
The “soul and spirit” in Hebrews 4:12 in fact belies the common belief that these two are the same and which separates from the body at death.
The bible teaching is that man is the soul and man is mortal. Man, having a natural body which is corruptible or subject to decay, needs to put on incorruption and immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Man, in his present state, will not need to still “put on immortality” if he is already immortal as is being falsely taught by many.